Today was good. I pretended like I didn’t have my teeth yanked out 2 days ago. Justin took me {and rovers} on a car ride. It was good to get out of bed and breathe fresh, Spring air.
Justin is an archaeologist that sells pine straw and keeps bees, which makes the name of the pine straw business so fitting… if only it had the word “archaeology” in it too! Maybe that’s the “more” part… “more” is certainly easier to spell.
And today he had to pick up a trailer with a few bales of pine straw on it.
So we tagged along.
And then I was starving. Starving. So I ate a piece of pizza and tried to swallow most of it whole but some of it got caught in my holes where my teeth used to be… oh dear, it was gross and scary. But I was starving. Can someone tell me what’s going to happen with these 4 gaping holes I have in my mouth? Do I need to go to Target and buy one of those water picks I had in 1993? Or do they fill in? I guess I just wasn’t expecting giant craters.
After we loaded up the trailer we stopped to see these little puppies. Don’t get me wrong, they’re precious in every way, I’m just not convinced we need a puppy right now.
But if I am convinced, he needs a man’s name like George or Walter.
Ok, off to gargle, swish and spit.
ps- If you’ve been putting off having your wisdom teeth yanked out, it really wasn’t that bad. I had some swelling, pain & nausea on day one but since then it hasn’t been too bad… except the hunger pains … oh, and my breath. 🙂
chesley
March 27, 2010 at 9:55 pmthe holes will heal, but it takes a long time. i used that squirt bottle they gave me foreva!! no puppies here either!!
Meredith
March 27, 2010 at 10:12 pmWarm salty water is what my mom made me gargle and swish when I had my wisdom teeth out. It helps and you won’t get dry sockets! I can bring you some KFC mashed potatoes! They help slot and no chewing necessary!
Mott @ The Courtyard Gate
March 27, 2010 at 10:13 pmThe holes will go away. I had mine cut out many years ago and the gum healed over and it’s smooth. No worries there. Hope you continue getting better every day and glad Justin got you out of the house for a while. It was a beautiful day, wasn’t it?
hannah
March 27, 2010 at 10:22 pmthey do heal from the inside out… takes a while though. i did the salt water thing too but with sea salt…
and found a toothpaste and mouthwash that is soooo good! made with aloe vera…
https://kissmyfacewebstore.com/category/oral-care
kk
March 27, 2010 at 10:45 pmHi blog friend! I went through the same last summer…please please no more pizza for a while! just soups,mashed potatoes,smoothies,shakes,ect. Just because you are feeling better don’t take the chance of disturbing the the clots while they are healing! Blessings~ KK
Lindsey
March 27, 2010 at 11:05 pmHey D! Glad to hear that you are feeling better. Have been praying for you……and that your house wouldn’t be destroyed by the 3 little ones while you were recovering :)! Av informed me recently that she misses you and the kids! Say hi to the crew for us.
Love
-L
katie mccrary
March 27, 2010 at 11:06 pmDarby, you should really take your fam and husband here. https://www.sharktoothcreek.com/DIRECTIONS.htm
With him being into anthropology/archeology, you guys would love it. The guy that runs it is such a hoot and it is a really fun trip for kids.
Joanna
March 27, 2010 at 11:24 pmno water picks!!! my mom caused dry sockets being extra “diligent” with a water pick (from the 70s no less – harvest gold colored!)…just gargle, rinse and spit only!
Jackie
March 27, 2010 at 11:26 pmWhat a great day, and the craters will fill in, and if you are not sure about needing a dog, just watch the movie Hachi, and you’ll change your mind. My husband and I watched tonight, and it was refreshing to be able to get a G rated movie, and we both liked it. Jackie
Kaela
March 28, 2010 at 12:17 amYou are so right, you should have had this done 15 years ago! I forgot all about those yucky side effects. Your mouth is a wonderful organ and will have those holes patched in no time! Feel better soon, Darby!
Katharina
March 28, 2010 at 1:21 amHello Darby… glad you are doing better! I got mine out when I was 16 and my cheeks were still very swolen, green and yellow a week after that.
So do you sell honey as well? You havn`t written about that, have you?
Nice pictures of you family life!
Caroline
March 28, 2010 at 2:44 ambest excuse ever to eat ice cream all day!
Christina
March 28, 2010 at 5:47 amGlad you are feeling better. I had my wisdom teeth out when I was a sophomore in college. I didn’t recover as quickly as it sounds you are. I ended up with the gaping holes and FOOD inside of them! The surgeon hadn’t given me anything to rinse them out with so I had to get a baby bulb syringe (baby booger sucker is what it’s called in my house) and rinse with that. Good luck!!
Angela
March 28, 2010 at 6:16 amMy widsom teeth were removed in my 30’s. The pain was a little more intense on one side due to the molar was sort of contorted instead of growing in straight. The surgeon had to work a little harder to remove it. My jaw hurts thinking about it. Your sockets will close within a few weeks. Eventually it will appear as if they were never there.
I don’t remember what I ate during that time but I don’t think it was much of anything other than soup and popsicles. I didn’t have much of an apetite for a while.
natalie @ our old southern house
March 28, 2010 at 7:11 amwe weren’t sure if we were getting a boy or girl briard when we went to pick it up (the breeder wouldn’t tell us) and we decided to name it ‘frank’ if it was a boy. a manly name for a manly dog.
…those wisdom teeth spaces fill up over time, but if they don’t, tell your doctor. i do remember them mentioning some crazy weird complication that can happen sometimes…but it’s been 11+ years and i’ve totally forgotten. 🙂
natalie @ our old southern house
March 28, 2010 at 7:18 amoh, and by the way….if i was a man, i would just what your husband does…almost.
i have a degree in historic preservation ( kinda like archaeology if you work for the gov’t)
i have a degree in horticulture
and i’ve ALWAYS wanted to keep bees (and have a minor in entomology)
i want to see pictures of his hives! 🙂
hannah
March 28, 2010 at 7:35 amwhere can i buy some honey?
Jane
March 28, 2010 at 7:35 amHi Darby,
My only wisdom teeth advice is lots of ice (to reduce swelling but more importantly bruising, and lots and lots of salt water gargles! I didn’t get the latter advice and my face re-swelled with an infection, but apparently this could have been prevented with warm salt water gargles. It helps to prevent food getting into those gaping caverns at the back of your mouth – amazing how they feel so massive when really they’re not that bad, think its a trick of the tongue.
I love your blog, your honesty and humour. I’m not yet a mum (or even married so it’s a while off!) but if one day I am blessed with children I would like to be a real mum like you seem to be! I was particularly touched by your post about asking your kids for forgiveness – what a great humble example you’re seeking to be to them!
Thanks for the encouragement.
Sherry
March 28, 2010 at 9:49 ami had 4 of mine taken out….i swelled up and couldn’t eat solid food for a week. even had to cut the bristles off my toothbrush and eat eggs out of a straw. i was sure they had sewed my mouth closed. it was a great diet though.
puppy advice…make sure you are ready and research well. it’s like having another child. we went for small, non-shedding, non-allergenic. a maltese. he’s the sweetest dog ever.
am loving your blog. makes me remember when my kiddos were little. mine are now 10, 13, and 15. it goes by so fast, but every stage is better than the last. even the teen years aren’t too bad because they are fun to take out to dinner, take to the movie, and great at traveling. it’s just very cool to see them turn into great people and know that you helped mold them a bit to be that great person.
we are heading to seaside area next week. isn’t that your sister’s neck of the woods?
happy healing.
Megan
March 28, 2010 at 9:54 amDidn’t they give you that little shot thing (minus the needle) to rinse your holes out with? I had those suckers out in 11th grade and I iced my cheeks the whole first day, and the next day I ate RIBS!
Ivy Smith
March 28, 2010 at 9:58 amGlad you are feeling better..I was a really big sissy when I had mine pulled and was in bed for 5 days!
Anne
March 28, 2010 at 10:09 amPoor Brenna got hers out the weekend before Thanksgiving…or was that her tonsils…either way the promise of mashed potatoes and gravy…all she could eat…didn’t really make her feel better. I’m not sure she ever really forgave us for that! haha Hope your mouth is feeling better.
Jill
March 28, 2010 at 10:55 amWait-what? No. No swishing for a week! You don’t want to loosen the blood clot. That’s how you get a dry socket. 🙂
Dianne
March 28, 2010 at 11:02 amGlad you got out with the family. Oh those pups were precious. How did you ever leave them there? Great willpower! The holes will fill in and you’ll never know they were there. Love you!
Cath
March 28, 2010 at 11:39 amDarby,
Glad you are feeling better. As everyone else has said, the holes do heal over in time.
We also have a very teeny tiny apiary ourselves. Do you put up your honey? Let me know, it would be fun to swap and taste some southern honey. Do your bees have a southern buzz?
Kimberly
March 28, 2010 at 12:18 pmHi Darby!
I had my wisdom teeth pulled when I was 19…I had all 4 of them done at once and I too had problems with food getting caught in the holes particularly on the bottom. I tried a water pick, but the gums were so tender it was a little too much pressure, so instead I just used a squeezable water bottle with warm water in it. One of those ones with the little pop-up top on it. Maybe it was the larger hole and the fact that the pressure was controlled by me, but it didn’t hurt at all.
I would just stand over the bathroom sink and tilt my head back and gently squeeze the water into the back of mouth where the holes were, then, with my mouth still open I would lean over the sink and let it drain out. You want to use a little bit of water pressure to swish the stuff out of there, but it worked great.
When I went back in for my post-op check-up the nurse was REALLY surprised at how clean the holes were 🙂
lisa
March 28, 2010 at 1:38 pmI was going to ask if they had given you something to irrigate. I had mine out about 7 years ago, and had a terrible time. My jaws locked and I could only open my mouth about a half inch for a while. I think part of the grossness was the stitches. I only had the bottom two removed. One side healed over, but the other kind of sticks up in the back. There isn’t holes, but that is probably were my tooth was. But I wouldn’t worry about it being a long term problem. And your mouth will probably feel gross until the stitches. At least that’s what I remember.
Jenny
March 28, 2010 at 1:42 pmDid you not get stitches? Don’t they do that in the US (I’m German)? I had stitches when I got mine removed, only had to be careful when brushing my teeth (with a baby tooth brush cause I couldn’t open my mouth…). I probably have tiny scars in my mouth now, but never had holes.
Amy
March 28, 2010 at 4:40 pmI don’t think you have made it to day 4 yet — that was the worst for me. Heasds up – if you start having some “new” pain on day 4, DON’T IGNORE IT! Go back to your doc right away because you probably have dry sockets. I was fine up until that point and then it was really bad. I don’t mean to scare you, but I wish someone would have warned me about day 4.
Renee Smith
March 28, 2010 at 4:45 pmHow long have you been putting it off? I was told a couple years ago to get mine out, but refused to get it done the summer before I got married because of horror stories I had heard about months of swelling. Maybe I should just call the doctor now?!
Lindsey
March 28, 2010 at 4:50 pmHey Darby,
My husband says that I must be your number one stalker. I love looking at all the wonderful pictures on your blog especially of your kids. Seriously, you must have the cutest kids on the planet. Anyway, I’m sure that all 20-something comments before me must have answered your question already, but since I’m in dental school, I felt like putting my 2 cents in anyway. The holes will fill up. Don’t worry. They will heal over and eventually fill up with the same cells that make up your gums. The oral surgeon or dentist office that took them out should be able to give you a little water syringe to help you irrigate them, but beware of rinsing too hard because you can dislodge the blood clot that forms in there to help it heal and thats when people get a “dry socket.” I hope you heal quickly and if you have any questions feel free to email me or leave a message on my blog. I’d be happy to ask one of my professors if I don’t know the answer offhand. Happy healing!
janet
March 28, 2010 at 5:05 pmNurse Janet’s Post Surgical Wisdom Teeth Survival Guide…..LOL. I had mine out in college over 20 years ago and ended up with four dried sockets. OUCH! My oldest son just had his 4 bony impacted out last year, and this is what I remember the post surgical directions to be. Hope it is helpful!
1. Swelling-
Following any surgical procedure, you can expect swelling to develop. It will usually be most pronounced the second 24 hours.
Start applying ice immediately following surgery. Apply ice packs during the first 4 hours…20 minutes on and then 20 minutes off.
Your swelling will reach a maximum 2-3 days following surgery and then diminish rapidly.
Do not apply ice after the first 24 hours following surgery.
2. Bruising-Following any surgical procedure bruising may result from the accumulation of blood in the tissue. It is normal but will be more prominent in thin or fair skinned individuals. It may extend from the surgical site downward and will resolve spontaneously in about 10 days.
Starting on the second day after your surgery may apply moist heat to the affected area for about 20 minutes every hour to hasten its removal. DO NOT apply ice after the first day!
To make a moist heating pad, place some uncooked rice in a re-sealable plastic bag. Place it in the microwave for a few seconds until it is warm, then place this inside a warm moist towel. It will stay warm for several minutes. You may use this over and over again as needed.I KNOW YOU KNOW HOW TO DO THIS!!!! I SAW YOUR FAB POST ON IT~
3. Rinsing- Cleanliness after surgery is important for a rapid and uncomplicated recovery. Do not rinse your mouth or brush your teeth the day of surgery.
The day after surgery rinses gently every 1-2 hours with a solution of warm salt water (1/2 teaspoon of salt in a full glass of warm water).
Continue rinsing four times a day for the next week.
The teeth should be brushed, but avoid the site of surgery for the first two days.
Following any surgical procedure bruising may result from the accumulation of blood in the tissue. It is normal but will be more prominent in thin or fair skinned individuals. It may extend from the surgical site downward and will resolve spontaneously in about 10 days. You may apply moist heat to the affected area for about 20 minutes every hour to hasten it’s removal.
4. Eating-A soft diet, avoiding hot liquids, is recommended for the first 24 hours after surgery. Try not to skip a meal.DO NOT USE A STRAW!!!! Resume your diet when possible. If you are diabetic YOU MUST EAT and test your glucose every 2 hours for the next 6 hours. I am assuming you are not diabetic…..but wanted to add it anyway just in case.
5.Nausea-If you develop nausea (vomiting) it is most likely due to a pain medication that contains a narcotic such as Vicodin (hydrocodone) or Percocet. Do not take pain medication on an empty stomach. Try drinking some flat Coca-Cola (stir out the carbonated bubbles). If you continue to have nausea. then discontinue taking this medication and begin taking Motrin (Ibuprofren) 600mg every 6 hours. Check this out with your doctor of course. Make sure you eat before taking any pain medication. If you continue to have nausea then call the on-call doctor for instructions.
To learn more about solving your pain medication problems:
Vomiting-
Isolated instances of vomiting are not unusual after surgery. This may be result of swallowing some blood or in response to narcotic pain medication. Persistent vomiting is a cause for concern and you should attempt to reach the on-call doctor, or if necessary go to the local emergency room. You should discontinue any narcotic pain medication.
Those gaping holes will heal over in no time. I know it feels weird, but you will get used to it in no time. In a few weeks you will be as good as new!
J~
alston
March 28, 2010 at 5:32 pmso glad you are doing okay! i think i may have to have mine out soon, and i’m dreading it. but i’m glad to hear it isn’t too bad. hopefully you’ll be eating real food in no time!
rachel
March 28, 2010 at 5:36 pmwe have a dog named Ron… it’s the most hilarious thing to watch people react when we tell them. and sometimes they are named Ron or have a son named Ron, which makes it even better.
we decided our next dog (when i am insane & allow another dog in my home) will be Greg or Doug. : )
happy healing… skip the pizza for a while!
nicki
March 28, 2010 at 8:13 pmI have my consultation tomorrow! I am super scared and after reading all these comments…it is worse! 🙂 I am 39 and have put this off for years.
julia
March 28, 2010 at 9:13 pmi was 40 when i got my wisdom teeth extracted. i had it done last september. my teeth were erupted, which might make for different healing times. i’m not sure. anyway, i still have wee little pockets where the lower teeth used to be. they’re much smaller than they were just after the procedure, however. they’re still filling in.
food-wise, i’d avoid pizza. at least until your sutures fall out. i remember eating lots of scrambled eggs and mashed potatoes the first week or so, with the occasional (HA!) ice cream breakfast.
hope you heal up soon!
Cat Moore
March 28, 2010 at 9:26 pmWishing you a speeding recovery and healing!!! I had braces as an adult (I remember you saying you may get them) and they weren’t that bad. I had them to fix a cross bite, my teeth weren’t bad. In fact, My hubs was upset and thought they’d make me look different. 🙂 Anyway, I still have my wisdom teeth and never had them pulled. My Ortho. said they were so far down they may never come in. Let’s hope they don’t because they’d mess up my beautiful perfect bite now! (oh, and as a side note, I had the braces when I was pregnant with my first child….I looked like a pregnant teeny bopper, I’m sure!)
amanda
March 28, 2010 at 10:05 pmwell you look great – i need to havemine out and have cancelled several times the last year but they are really starting to hurt so alas it time…keep me posted on your recovery. happy holy week!
Andrika King
March 28, 2010 at 11:31 pmLove the boots on the kiddos! Nothing cuter than a kid in boots, makes me miss Texas!
Tammy
March 29, 2010 at 12:03 amGlad to see you’re doing better. I’ve been in dentistry for 20 plus yrs. and Janets comment pretty much sums it up. The socket covering is sort of like a scab over a wound, you want it to keep it there. Please- no h2o pik, and gentle salt h2o rinses are the way to go. You’re on your way to recovery!! Take care.
bg
March 29, 2010 at 6:55 amI think George or Walter will soon have a new home. Warm salty rinses are good for the gums,too, on a daily basis. Is there a website for the honey bee/pine straw business. Looks like Rover is singing while waiting in his carseat. Great family.
bg
Shannon
March 29, 2010 at 8:13 amThe holes will close eventually! I had stitches when I had my 4 wisdom teeth removed a few years ago and it was a huge relief when the stitches were removed. They weren’t painful, just very annoying! Just swish with some antiseptic mouth rinse.
Embarrassing story – I went on a date to a Chinese restaurant a few days after having my wisdom teeth removed. I found a piece of rice hiding in one of the holes a few hours later. I was so grossed out I had to end the date early to go home and rinse!
Jennifer
March 29, 2010 at 8:19 amOK…. Had mine pulled when a few years ago around 30.. After I ate I would use an oral syringe to get food out, warm water and alittle pressure, just enough to get food out, Worked wonderful. You can get them new at CVS pharm (for free), thankfully I was working at that time in the NICU so I was able to get new ones often. Just wash them well after use. They really do help so your not spitting all the time. Good luck, remember it all to well…
Keeley
March 29, 2010 at 8:23 amMy oral surgeon gave me a syringe to keep the holes clean. It was quite gross seeing all the food that gets trapped in the holes, but it kept them clean and prevented me from getting an infection. I highly recommend it. I think the Water Pik is too strong for your gums and may actually do damage. My first week after the surgery was difficult, but you’ll be very happy in a few weeks. You’ll never even miss the teeth.
I think this may be my first comment on your blog. I love your stories and your photography is beautiful!
Melanie Gore
March 29, 2010 at 8:53 amGlad that you are doing okay. Sweet pictures of the rovers but this Floridian is missing that warm sunshine that you are having. This northern weather IS NOT FOR ME!
Meredith
March 29, 2010 at 9:57 amHey! My doctor gave me a syringe with a curved end to squirt water down in the holes (gently, very gently) to rinse the food out. Hope this helps!
Bailey@peppermintbliss
March 29, 2010 at 10:04 amWalter would LOVE to come home with you guys!! I am convinced y’all need a puppy ’cause I think pics of your rovers with a roverpuppyfriend would be adorrbbsss
Karen
March 29, 2010 at 10:12 amIt sounds like you are doing well. However, after reading some of these comments, I belive I will be keeping my wisdom teeth. The idea of food getting caught in gaping holes, and warm salt water rinses is making me gag! Also… Paige is too cute in her cowboy boots!
Christy
March 29, 2010 at 12:21 pmGlad to hear you are recovering well & enjoying what Spring has to offer!
I seem to remember getting stitches when my wisdom teeth were removed, just a couple in each hole. They also gave me a pointy syringe thing to clean out the hole with. The holes are all closed up, you can feel the seam, but no holes. 🙂
Bryn
March 29, 2010 at 2:35 pmYou’ve mentioned your husband sells pine straw before, and I’m ashamed to say I never had any clue what you were talking about. Well I sure do now that I’ve moved to the South (Charlotte, NC)! It’s EVERYWHERE! Now I’ll always think of you and your cute hubby when I see it. 🙂
Cousin
March 29, 2010 at 3:40 pmOooo, you so need a pup! And I’m sure George would love it if you named him George:) Its rough getting started with a puppy but they are so worth it and you’re children would love him! The little Lukster is doing much better, but it was a hard start! Those puppies are work! I’m so glad you’re feeling better! Love you!
Kelly@TearingUpHouses
March 29, 2010 at 6:31 pmI heard the best dog name today… Maxwell Fartingsworth. Cracked me up.
Kelly
Alli
March 29, 2010 at 7:51 pmYou are lucky, getting my wisdom teeth out was about as bad as labor for me [and I had my babes natural]. Good to see you are up and about!!
Ps. You have great skin tone- from last post :]
sarah
March 29, 2010 at 9:35 pmSO I see you always get alot of comments, so I really hope you read this one!
YES go get water picks. My hubby at the age of 30-ish got his out and he used that sucker like it was milk to a baby. I hate to say this but the holes didn’t close up completely for months. The older one gets the harder it is to heal. It sucks but its true.
So go to Target and become 1993 again my blog friend.
Good Luck…oh yea, use those Listerine strips (that’s what helped him when “we” really needed it- get me).
Peas and support,
Sarah
Colorado
May
March 30, 2010 at 11:09 amMy holes are completely closed, but I think it took a little while. On the bright side, once they heal, you can brush them clean.
Those puppies are so cute. I’m really not a dog person at all (we have a cat), but some dogs are just so sweet. Glad you had a day out. Happy Easter (a little early)!
julialifeisart
March 30, 2010 at 11:24 amI had one wisdom tooth pulled about six months ago and am still having issues with the crater that was left behind, although it has definitely filled in a lot and no longer disgusts me. I’m glad I read your other commenters’ suggestion to get an oral syringe to squirt water in the hole after meals. I’m stopping by CVS today!
Molly
March 30, 2010 at 12:10 pmI don’t want to gross you out, but reading about your wisdom teeth experience reminded me of mine. When I went back to the doctor a few days (or maybe it was a week) after the procedure, he pulled all of this gauze out of those holes. I was shocked and disgusted! I had no idea that stuff was packed in there! I don’t know if this is standard practice, but I was certainly surprised. The thought that the gauze had been hanging out in there for a week made me want to hurl. Just wanted you to be prepared in case your doctor pulls that same move.
Trina
March 30, 2010 at 2:57 pmI had my teeth taken out about 3 years ago because they impacted (OW!). It was right before a mission trip to Mexico where we built houses. The dental surgeon gave me the little squirter to clean out the holes, but I had no mirror because we were camping! I had to stand by the fire pit at night with my amazing brother who peered in my mouth with a flashlight to help him aim the stream of water. GROSS. And we had to do it in front of everybody!
Megan
March 30, 2010 at 3:19 pmI love your blog, but this is the first time I’ve commented, mostly because I have a consultation to have my wisdom teeth removed tomorrow(!). I was supposed to have had it done 9 years ago (I’m 25 now) but something came up, my mom cancelled and here I am rescheduling years later… And I am terrified! All the stories – gaping holes, random food bits, swelling… ugh. I am super fair complected and actually got a bruise on my face from the dentist’s finger pressure at a cleaning (I’m not even kidding) that didn’t go away for weeks! So I’m sure this will be an interesting look for me…
Love the photos of your kiddies and your gorgeous house and enjoy hearing about your family! Take care!
JJ
March 30, 2010 at 7:33 pmThis is a very unrelated post but have a quick question. Several months ago you posted a pic of a chicken pot pie wihout a recipe and was wondering if you would post it. I have been looking for a good recipe and that looked so good. I hope you are feeling much better by now and some of the soreness has improved.
Mandy
March 30, 2010 at 7:49 pmThe holes that are left by your wisdom teeth extractions will fill in. It will take a few months. Rinsing with warm salt water is very soothing, but make sure not to spit. You want to lean over the sink and let the water kinda roll out. Spitting can lead to a dry socket.
It’s natural for food to kinda get stuck in the areas. Please don’t stick random objects like a toothpick, toothbrush or waterpik into the areas to clean them. You do not want to dislodge the clots that have formed in the areas (which all of those will do) cause you could get a dry socket. You only need to be really careful with the areas for 3-4 days. You will heal 🙂
Sorry, had to comment. I’m a Dentist. Feel better soon 🙂
Mandy, DDS
Rachel Lenda
April 3, 2010 at 8:08 pmWe were trying to make your Resurrection cookies and they are not turning out. We were wondering if we were supposed to beat the egg whites before adding the sugar. We weren’t clear on that part and they are not forming stiff peaks after 20+ min.
Thanks